How do we deal with first-hand knowledge?

This is probably a rare situation, but here’s a thread anyway just for future notice.

Basically, I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable than me can shed some light on how to phrase/source first-hand information.

Obviously in general everything should have links and sources and stuff, but what if I am the source?

Everyone in this band is from my high school, and there’s some information I’d like to add to their artist page. The problem is that there isn’t a source for some of it online, the source is me knowing them.

Unfortunately getting them verified is really unlikely especially since they’re now all at different colleges and the band is officially on hiatus/essentially split up. (Which, by the way, is another piece of information that’s un-sourceable. I know because I’m friends with them on Facebook and they’ve posted about it.)

I mean, at the end of the day, their most viewed song page is at a whopping 44 views, so this isn’t exactly an earth-shattering problem. But it could be relevant again in the future so we might as well figure out something now.

December 18th, 2016
December 18th, 2016

Definitely a relevant question IMO.

I don’t think there’s any issue with using Alec’s information, but how do we source it without them resorting to writing in the firsty person?

I know because I’m friends with them on Facebook and they’ve posted about it.)

If they have mentioned it on FB and the post still exists, you can link to their page.

December 18th, 2016 | edited December 18th, 2016

I see @RobMarkman sometimes tate it as a story, something like:

When [insert rapper here] and I sat down he told me [something]

Obviously we can’t do that because we’re not known in the industry like Rob, but that’s an example.

Maybe screenshot DM’s or something? Not sure if that would work though, but probably

December 18th, 2016

I haven’t really come across this problem much, except maybe yesterday when I was annotating my own screenplay.

I think I said something like this in the song bio:

Along with clearing up confusions via annotations, Madame Nova will share stories and anecdotes about their time filming this movie.

Personally, I would mention you as a current member online that supplies information. Not sure whether it would be on songs or in the artist bio tho.

But yeah, I don’t know, really. This is an interesting question.

December 18th, 2016

@MadameNova When you’re verified on a text then there’s no need to put in any disclaimers like that – the green highlight already suggests that you’re talking from first-hand experience.

Here’s a round-about solution, @Alec_Ratnaswamy – why not upload all the relevant Facebook content to a free blog or even a Genius page? Then you can reference that at will. Obviously be sure to ask permission if anything isn’t publicly viewable.

December 18th, 2016

I think this is an interesting question. Like I’ve met Dutch rapper Typhoon and the members of the dutch band Chef'Special (who are now becoming more-known in the US btw) once and I’ve been wanting to ask all these questions about some lyrics I didn’t get (but I didn’t do it, I also wanted to ask them to became verified but didn’t do it), but this wouldn’t be a really rare situation to occur. I’ve also been to a lot of concerts where an artists starts explaining what a song really means, which happens even more often.

How about starting sentences with “During (unrecorded) concerts/personal conversations, artist X has spread the word/implied/specified that…”

December 19th, 2016

Also something entirely different:

I’ve used this site for a good 4-5 years, and I’ve come across a LOT of threads with good questions like this one, and most of the times in the thread we come up with a good answer.

However, how do we keep track of all of our “answers”? I’ve seen a lot of these questions (like “how do we handle so-called ‘joke-annotations’?”) multiple times. I feel like there should be some kind of Genius rule-book for these kinds of things (and not just the “how do I annotate” page).

Like, next month somebody else makes a thread with the same question, a lot of different people see it, and the discussion starts all over again, coming up with a new solution, resulting in a Genius community where everybody handles certain situations in an entirely different way. If it were so that at least all Staffers are on the same line, it wouldn’t be that much of a problem but I don’t think that’s the case

December 19th, 2016

@BoredBorderlineGenius

Great idea! Do you think this would be better as a thread or a song page?

December 19th, 2016

@BasedGator at least not a thread, because it should be easy to edit. I think it should be something like this page, and as easy to find from the Genius homepage (otherwise it will just become another lost page in the world wide web of Genius)

http://ziyadentertainment.com/Genius-how-genius-works-annotated

December 19th, 2016

@BoredBorderlineGenius

feel ya! we’re collecting a few of these types of questions on the “what is an editor page” but feel adding them to the “how genius works page” might confuse new people, maybe we need an “advanced” section?

December 19th, 2016

@Michael Yes exactly what it should be ;) A kind of “Less Frequently Asked Questions”-section

And it should be able to be edited by mods/staff, whenever we think of some new way to handle things

December 20th, 2016

@BoredBorderlineGenius – down for this. wanna start adding stuff here (any page/thread you think is relevent) and then we can add it all to the guide at the same time?

might not be something we get to immediately but defs gonna get done for next year

cc: @Empath @ewokABdevito

December 20th, 2016

@Michael I will as soon as I get the time, which might not be this week (exam period)

I’m afraid the hardest part is going to be to find useful threads, since there are so many. I think the page is supposed to get better over time when we keep adding stuff, but I’ll do my best ;)

December 20th, 2016

Some topics:

  • joke annotations thread
  • annotating brackets: when is it allowed
  • amount of lines an annotation is supposed to cover (can meaningless/straightforward lines be added to the annotation without talking about it
  • use of links to non-genius
  • SLA (don’t know if that’s covered in the other page already)
  • use of bullet points
  • use of sources
  • how do we deal with first hand knowledge
December 20th, 2016

circling back on this. proposed changes to how genius works

put new section “Advanced” at the bottom of the page (anyone wanna make a header image?)

add any/all of:

i’m sure there’s another discussion threads that should also be added, whether they’re here in @music or the @genius-editorial-board. what others could we add?

@Theonlydjorkaeff @Vesuvius @Dyazz @ewokABdevito

edit: @ScopeY cause i know you’ll know some

December 27th, 2016 | edited December 27th, 2016